[Newlug] new domain name for newlug

Mon Nov 16 21:26:04 CST 2009

Check their website for the email addresses of the board members.  They're listed there.  http://www.fvnug.org.

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Ryan D. Hatch wrote:

> Good thoughts, Josh.
> 
> Does anyone have the contact information for the leader of the FVNUG group?
> I'd like to contact them about how we could setup a more formal structure.
> 
> We need a process for handling decisions like these.  While ideas coming
> from the group (via emails, etc.) are good - we need a way to come together
> & decide on things, otherwise it just end in further indecision.
> 
> If someone could please put me in touch with the FVNUG group, I will speak
> with them.  In the mean time - we can discuss some of these things at this
> week's meeting.  I will send out the meeting announcement tonight.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newlug-bounces at newlug.org [mailto:newlug-bounces at newlug.org] On Behalf
> Of GaveUp
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:03 PM
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> Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Newlug] new domain name for newlug
> 
> for the most part I've tried to stay out of this whole issue that's been
> brewing these past few months, but this is getting absurd.  As those that
> have been on the list for a few years have probably come to realize every
> couple of years the members of the group end up infighting tearing the list
> apart, putting it in to an even more inactive state, and generally leaving
> the meetings abandoned.  Why do I bring this up?  Because clearly people
> either were not around or have forgotten those times and those who forget
> history are doomed to repeat it.  
> 
> Firstly, there's no real reason to move the mailing list.  The needs of the
> list haven't changed, there have been no problems with the upkeep of the
> list.  It's a pretty hands off thing that has worked without fail for years.
> Not to say that having a secondary backup of the archive and possibly even a
> ready to go mailing list set up should the need arise but this definately
> falls under the case of if it's not broke don't fix it.  
> 
> Secondly, the topic of the webstie.  Yes, it hasn't been updated in a while.
> Yes, I can understand people thinking the control of the domain should be in
> the hands of someone that is active among the list.  That said, what are the
> issues with where it's at now?  Before moving servers perhaps it should be
> seen if someone who wants to take a more active role in administering the
> site can get the rights to modify where it's at.  If the concern is of an
> outdated website, personally, I'd like to see what a person intends to do
> with the website before rash decisions are made to move it and end up in the
> situation.  Anyone could set up a domain or subdomain somewhere to do this.
> It could probably be done without any hassle as a subdomain off the
> newlug.org domain.
> 
> Thirdly, the issue of what to host it on.  As I mentioned before there's no
> real reason to move the site right now before the other options are
> explored, but in that scenario, for as low a traffic site as this is there
> is no reason to move it to a dedicated server.  A VPS would do just fine and
> at a substantially cheaper rate.  Not to mention that I'm sure any number of
> members of this list would be willing to donate space/time to handle this.
> 
> Fourthly, in an attempt to stop this endless cycle of infighting this list
> really needs a more formal structure, as others have mentioned.  If you want
> to see how much this can help just look at any of the other user groups in
> the area.  For example, take a look at what many would consider the arch
> nemesis of this group, FVNUG.  Organized, incoming funds, presentations,
> etc.  If this list ever hopes to attain anything more than what it is now
> this is really the direction that the group needs to head.  Anyone could ask
> any of the other groups for tips on how to go about organizing a group more
> formally.  In fact, the Agile development group might not be a bad one for
> those interested to investigate as they are just getting off the ground (one
> meeting held, 50ish people in attendance) and is going about setting up a
> formal structure and all of that.
> 
> At any rate I could easily keep going on about this topic, but as I'm not
> longer exactly an active member of the group, no attend meetings it's not
> really my place.  This will be the last I speak on this subject.  Whatever
> happens, happens, but those that are calling for change seriously think
> about the possibilities first, because right now it's just seemingly a
> battle for control.  
> 
> --
> GaveUp
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> 
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> Nov 2009, Mike Putnam wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 03:53:21PM -0600, Tom Scott wrote:
> > >    we need a new domain name for newlug. [1]newlug.org is taken. there
> are
> > >    several others that will do just as well. let's discuss at the
> meeting
> > >    thursday. then we can set up the server, the new mailing list, and a
> few
> > >    other neat features that [2]newlug.org can't support such as a wiki.
> > >    ?
> > >    time to take the matter in hand....
> > > 
> > >    -- TT
> > >    "Less product, more architecture and specifications." -- 
> > > Confucius
> > > 
> > > References
> > > 
> > >    Visible links
> > >    1. http://newlug.org/
> > >    2. http://newlug.org/
> > 
> > 
> > Please pardon my not checking my email since 11/15.
> > 
> > I'll gladly point newlug.org at any nameservers the group would like to
> use.
> > 
> > Something to consider: This mailing list is and has been graciously 
> > hosted, managed, and maintained for 7 years by Jay Pharis.  Does the 
> > group also intend to change this?
> > 
> > Mike Putnam
> 
> 
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