[Newlug] new domain name for newlug
gaveup at gmx.net
Mon Nov 16 21:26:04 CST 2009
Check their website for the email addresses of the board members. They're listed there. http://www.fvnug.org.
gaveup at gmx.net
Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x959E3833
Fingerprint: 9EA4 0D98 5371 2C0B A0D6 B850 F2F4 9AB6 959E 3833
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Ryan D. Hatch wrote:
> Good thoughts, Josh.
> Does anyone have the contact information for the leader of the FVNUG group?
> I'd like to contact them about how we could setup a more formal structure.
> We need a process for handling decisions like these. While ideas coming
> from the group (via emails, etc.) are good - we need a way to come together
> & decide on things, otherwise it just end in further indecision.
> If someone could please put me in touch with the FVNUG group, I will speak
> with them. In the mean time - we can discuss some of these things at this
> week's meeting. I will send out the meeting announcement tonight.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newlug-bounces at newlug.org [mailto:newlug-bounces at newlug.org] On Behalf
> Of GaveUp
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:03 PM
> To: newlug at newlug.org
> Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Newlug] new domain name for newlug
> for the most part I've tried to stay out of this whole issue that's been
> brewing these past few months, but this is getting absurd. As those that
> have been on the list for a few years have probably come to realize every
> couple of years the members of the group end up infighting tearing the list
> apart, putting it in to an even more inactive state, and generally leaving
> the meetings abandoned. Why do I bring this up? Because clearly people
> either were not around or have forgotten those times and those who forget
> history are doomed to repeat it.
> Firstly, there's no real reason to move the mailing list. The needs of the
> list haven't changed, there have been no problems with the upkeep of the
> list. It's a pretty hands off thing that has worked without fail for years.
> Not to say that having a secondary backup of the archive and possibly even a
> ready to go mailing list set up should the need arise but this definately
> falls under the case of if it's not broke don't fix it.
> Secondly, the topic of the webstie. Yes, it hasn't been updated in a while.
> Yes, I can understand people thinking the control of the domain should be in
> the hands of someone that is active among the list. That said, what are the
> issues with where it's at now? Before moving servers perhaps it should be
> seen if someone who wants to take a more active role in administering the
> site can get the rights to modify where it's at. If the concern is of an
> outdated website, personally, I'd like to see what a person intends to do
> with the website before rash decisions are made to move it and end up in the
> situation. Anyone could set up a domain or subdomain somewhere to do this.
> It could probably be done without any hassle as a subdomain off the
> newlug.org domain.
> Thirdly, the issue of what to host it on. As I mentioned before there's no
> real reason to move the site right now before the other options are
> explored, but in that scenario, for as low a traffic site as this is there
> is no reason to move it to a dedicated server. A VPS would do just fine and
> at a substantially cheaper rate. Not to mention that I'm sure any number of
> members of this list would be willing to donate space/time to handle this.
> Fourthly, in an attempt to stop this endless cycle of infighting this list
> really needs a more formal structure, as others have mentioned. If you want
> to see how much this can help just look at any of the other user groups in
> the area. For example, take a look at what many would consider the arch
> nemesis of this group, FVNUG. Organized, incoming funds, presentations,
> etc. If this list ever hopes to attain anything more than what it is now
> this is really the direction that the group needs to head. Anyone could ask
> any of the other groups for tips on how to go about organizing a group more
> formally. In fact, the Agile development group might not be a bad one for
> those interested to investigate as they are just getting off the ground (one
> meeting held, 50ish people in attendance) and is going about setting up a
> formal structure and all of that.
> At any rate I could easily keep going on about this topic, but as I'm not
> longer exactly an active member of the group, no attend meetings it's not
> really my place. This will be the last I speak on this subject. Whatever
> happens, happens, but those that are calling for change seriously think
> about the possibilities first, because right now it's just seemingly a
> battle for control.
> gaveup at gmx.net
> Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x959E3833
> Fingerprint: 9EA4 0D98 5371 2C0B A0D6 B850 F2F4 9AB6 959E 3833 On Mon, 16
> Nov 2009, Mike Putnam wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 03:53:21PM -0600, Tom Scott wrote:
> > > we need a new domain name for newlug. newlug.org is taken. there
> > > several others that will do just as well. let's discuss at the
> > > thursday. then we can set up the server, the new mailing list, and a
> > > other neat features that newlug.org can't support such as a wiki.
> > > ?
> > > time to take the matter in hand....
> > >
> > > -- TT
> > > "Less product, more architecture and specifications." --
> > > Confucius
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > Visible links
> > > 1. http://newlug.org/
> > > 2. http://newlug.org/
> > Please pardon my not checking my email since 11/15.
> > I'll gladly point newlug.org at any nameservers the group would like to
> > Something to consider: This mailing list is and has been graciously
> > hosted, managed, and maintained for 7 years by Jay Pharis. Does the
> > group also intend to change this?
> > Mike Putnam
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